Sponsor |  Orfie | Mar 9, 7:54am | Trolls will only stay where they are well fed.
"Trolls have two ways of gaining access to a community: from the outside or from the inside. Outside trolls are newbies or visitors who are new to the community, or only sporadic visitors and guests. They are less likely to target specific members and will be content with "hooking" anyone. Inside trolls are comprised of mischevious, bored, disgruntled, angry, scapegoated or wounded regulars who may have turned to trolling as a result of actions that occurred within the community. They frequently have a bone to pick with a specific member or a select group of members."
This is an excellent resource for understanding their motives and also helps differentiate between a "troll" and online harrassment.
On the "lighter" side, this is another resource to give new meaning and depth to trolls and "flaming". ;-) |
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|  qthews | Mar 9, 12:05pm | | I really wonder if we can use those classification (especially the opne of the second link of post #1 :-) ) to classify people even in "real" life and not only on the net. |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Mar 9, 12:15pm | 3: yes we can. the net is only a reflection of "real" life.
1. thanks for the links. will read through them.
i know this has been discussed elsewhere at length, so will see if i can find those links too.
anyway. my original question was about how do you tell the difference between online harassment (which is serious) and trolling (which should be ignored).
and, more importantly, where do you get Help for it? |
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| | qthews | Mar 9, 1:51pm | Mine was a rhetorical question, #4, as i'm one of the supporter of the idea that "real and "net" life are just that, life (that is if you are not in impostor in one or both of them).
The "reality" of what happen and the emotions felt in the net is one of the few discussion/debate i join while chatting and i usually end it asking why what is said here is different from what is said using cell phones, wired phones, email, regular mail, parchment and carved rocks :-) |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Mar 9, 1:56pm | yes. sorry. i respond to rhetorical questions with irony. i must stop doing that. :)
in theory, there should be no difference.. but some different rules apply online. as long as everyone knows what the rules are, it's fine.
the problem is... the rules change all the time.
i'll try and make more sense tomorrow. till then. :) |
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Sponsor | | Orfie | Mar 9, 1:58pm | The only real "help" for trolling is to starve it to death. Don't respond to it.
Online harassment is a different animal; as the definitions are broad and not all-encompassing. What I would constitute as harassment may not coincide with how someone else views it. I see it as someone interminably attempting to communicate after they've been asked to cease and desist.
As for getting help, the advice offered here is a good place to start. |
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| | Tabmow | Mar 9, 4:27pm | | Trolling is simply a fabricated meme to help your mind cope with ideas that do not settle with your limited world view. GNAA exists only to shock your mind into accepting the meme, while Fravia offers a more scientific explanation. Seriously Orfie, what are your parameters for trolling? |
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Sponsor | | Orfie | Mar 9, 5:31pm | Heck, my parameter is if it walks like a skunk, and smells like a skunk; it probably is. Nasty little buggers. Take you completely unaware and you're nailed.
You try not to feed the things, but they're starved. So you give them the token piece of bread to keep them out of the old witch's oven. Next thing you know, they're biting the hand that feeds 'em.
I'll go with Scientific Explanations for 5000, Alex. |
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| | Tabmow | Mar 9, 6:09pm | | 9: Have you considered the possibility of the Copenhagen Interpretation in regards to trolling? If one does not have hard evidence of a phenomenon, it could well be fabricated lore. The end results of supposed "forum warz" could be in fact the result of natural interested users, i.e. the meme of trolling may not actually exist until you attempt to observe it, and once you stop trying to observe it, it ceases to exist. Vis-a-vis the possibility that messages inherently appear to be trolls, it stands to reason that once truly observed, said trolls turn out to be ordinary interested users. |
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